Best accuracy came with the 20-grain V-Maxs at 100 yards, with all shots hovering at 0.45in. Wolfe Publishing Company | 2180 Gulfstream Suite A | Prescott, AZ 86301. The newest loading manuals, such as Speers Number 15 and Hornadys 11th edition, list loads for a bunch of new powders, so I had to give them a whirl. The 17 Rem. load in a winchester mod. The Model 8 was offered in the .25, .30, .32, and .35 Remingtons. So the plateau has been reached where no more powder can be burned to increase velocity. The reloader can choose from a great selection of traditional and high-tech 7mm bullets - from 100 to 175 grains. The neck of the case will be shorter than on cases formed from .22 Hornet brass, but accuracy is the same and flickertails dont seem to mind. I'll be trying a load .5 gr. loads we compared for this article. This concludes with an average overall group size for all types of ammunition. I got to know Ackley while he was doing some rifle work for me during the 1960s and 70s. Kindler 30gr Gold bullets and RL-15 takes the .17 Rem to a new level of killing power. This powder also flows precisely through a powder measure. All rights reserved. at 3,800 fps has close to the same trajectory. other loads were chronographed from a Ruger 77/17VMBBZ. mine likes 4895 either hodgens or imr 20gr vmax or 25 gr bergers half inch or better 3 shot groups. Typically, groups with each rifle are fired for record by three or four Guns and Shooting Online staffers and/or contributors. Similar threads 17 fireball and reloader 10 bobcat93 Apr 12, 2016 Reloading Forum (All Calibers) A 24-grain payload of RL15 shot the 20-grain V-Max out at 4,040fps on a cold day and 4,120fps on a hot one, with 25 grain absolute max grounding out at 4,200fps fast enough for anyone. I really need to work up a load with some TAC. I should add, that although the Berger's are a bit pricey, I think they are very much worth it. The first three were rimless versions of the Winchester cartridges, with slight dimensional changes, and had 0.421-inch rims. The accuracy and integrity of the larger 30 grain ensures a better ballistic coefficient and, as such, retains more energy down-range and is better constructed to penetrate foxes yet still expand without any nasty entry wounds, so long as the range is not too long. These powders were originally intended for target shooters, but the two powders also work well in small-game cartridges. First, a bit of background history. I'll be headed to the range this weekend and hope that this new load will shoot accurately while looking for signs that the load may be to hot. fun. Alternatives, getting heavy For the 5.56 NATO loads, with a maximum pressure of 62,350 psi, Western Powders lists 26.1 grains of A-2200 that shoots the Nosler bullet at a very quick 3,578 fps. If not, the bullet comes apart in the barrel or on the way to the target. The smallest cartridge was the .25-35 Winchester, which preceded the .30-30 Winchester by a few months, both of which were introduced in 1895. The V-Maxs are my all-time favourite, they shoot flat, are accurate and humanely despatch the quarry like nothing else. The .17 caliber rimfire cartridges include the .17 M2, .17 HMR and .17 WSM. (See the article Compared: .17 HMR Varmint Ammunition for more details about .17 HMR ammo.). Now we are getting somewhere and all the pressure signs are good. The 30-grain Berger bullet is a very good choice for foxes with good retained energy, expansion and down-range wind-bucking capabilities. In the course of our rifle reviews we ordinarily test for accuracy using as many different loads as possible and tabulate the results. largest group 2-3/4"; mean average group = 1-13/32". I am sure Moving up in powder capacity, the .17 Mach IV was introduced during the 1960s by Las Vegas gunsmith Vern OBrien, whose custom rifles were on the dainty Sako L46 action. velocity/energy figures for this load are 2050 fps and 159 ft. lbs. Walther's new Performance Duty Pistol is ready for both concealed carry and conventional service situations. hotter than the one listed in the 1st post and hope to be getting approx. This is the powder I load in my Cooper Firearms Model 22 .243 for target shooting. The .17 ballistics I'd load 55 and 60gn bullets in your rifle. During fire-forming the case will headspace on its rim and the shoulder will be moved forward to the Ackley position. Favorite loads for your .17 Remington - PredatorMasters Forums Welcome to the Predator Masters Forums Be sure to visit the main Predator Master website at Log In ] Predator Masters Home Forums Hunting Reloading & Ammo Favorite loads for your .17 Remington Register User Forum List Calendar Active Topics FAQ Who's Online Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 > 17 Fireball accuracy. British deer: A guide to identifying the six species found here and where to stalk them, Choosing the right bullets for deer stalking. For decades, I burned every powder imaginable in the .35 Whelen with hopes of firing 250- grain bullets at 2,400 fps. most accurate 17 remington loadapplications of stepper motor ppt. By that time most of his hearing was gone, and his daughter would answer the phone and relay the conversation back and forth between her father and the caller. I've had several 17's since 1977 and 3031 has produced good performance in all of them. For this comparison, G&S Online Make sure to watch till the end. The powder shot 139-grain bullets a touch over 3,300 fps from a 7mm Remington Magnum. placed at a distance of 10 feet from the muzzle of the test rifle. sighting-in all the rifles or the 60+ rounds that we fired in the Its the same powder as Ramshots X-Terminator. The Rossi RB17 can usually be had for well under $200 but have all the features the .17 HMR crowd looks for including a 21-inch free-float barrel with integrated Weaver-style scope mounts. 22 gr of Xbr 8208 was 4050, 23 of varget was 4100. This short-cut, single-base extruded rifle powder competes with H-4350 and IMR-4350. They are also very safe to shoot since the bullets do not exit the carcase and ricochets are non-existent just right for around the farm. Alliants AR-Comp, Power Pro 2000MR, and 1200-R; Vihta Vuori N133; and Accurate 2015 and LT-32 (now part of Hodgdon) are also suitable. This means the bullet hits dead on at 145 yards and about 1.5" low at Choose the most accurate and effective bullet weight in your own gun. Because I'm burning Tac and 25 gr VMAX in my old 17 Rem and it really shoots well. Just load it up with some carefully prepared handloads, shoot it, and have fun. 25, 50, 100, and 200 yards, but all of our shooting for record was done .17 WSM ammunition includes Winchester Elite with 20 and 25 grain tipped bullets, Hornady with a 20 grain V-MAX tipped bullet and Federal American Eagle brand with a 20 grain tipped bullet. I have attempted to chamber Remington ammo in two .17 Mach IV rifles. from that 120 gr. is the only one of those four Remington rounds still in production, although few rifles have been chambered for it of late. Our range protocol was simple. It shoots tighter than I can hold. The 20-grain bullets offer a good compromise over the industry standard 25-grain as they can be loaded faster. The .17 HMR loads we use include ammunition from CCI with 17 grain TNT bullet, CCI A17 with 17 grain Varmint Tip bullet, Federal Premium with 17 grain TNT bullet, Federal Premium with 17 grain V-MAX bullet, Hornady with 17 grain V-MAX bullet, Remington Premier with 17 grain AccuTip-V bullet and Winchester Supreme with 17 grain V-MAX bullet. Chuck Hawks shares .17 Rifle Accuracy Test Results . Federal Hunter Match. You can also check in our bullet database for which Hornady bullets we offer . ft. lbs. : 2.150" Powder: 24.1 gr 25.9 gr Vel. England and Wales company registration number 2008885. Javascript is required. I find that the 25/06 can use any powder that falls between number 112 (IMR 4350) and number 137 (Retumbo) depending on the bullet weight. Primer: CCI250 for 168s, Fed215M for the 180s. In addition to the soft polymer tip, the FTX has a high antimony core, and the jacket has the InterLock ring for reliable penetration and good expansion. At 100 yards there is still a healthy 3,389fps velocity and 638ft/lb striking energy that is more than enough for humane despatches. exceeded its published MV by 59 fps, the Hornady Varmint Express ammo instrumental velocities for our five loads, including the highest The testing was done over several range sessions. ambient air temperature varied between 55 and 80 degrees. This makes for a light recoil round that has very good long range ballistics. | Groups hover around an inch at 100 yards. The .32-40 and .38-55 blackpowder cartridges came first, as Winchester had not yet perfected harder, nickel-steel barrels for the jacketed bullets that were loaded later in smokeless-powder rounds. Ackley created his first .17 caliber wildcat by necking down the .30 Carbine case. chosen because it has a 24" barrel, the standard length used by most After looking at load data for the 17 Mach IV and looking at Quickload, it seems something in the burn rate of IMR 4198, Vihta Vuori N110, Alliant 2400, Alliant Reloader 7, Hodgdon Lil'Gun, Alliant Blue Dot, and IMR 4227 would meet the requirement. yard velocity/energy figures for this load are 1873 fps and 132 ft. lbs. The .35 Rem. Accurates powders hung in limbo for some time, overshadowed by Alliant, Hodgdon, IMR and Winchester powders until Western bought Accurate in 2005. Finally, beware of reduced loads, as we want to make sure that all bullets make it out of the barrel. This isn't your grandpa's muzzleloading system. It's also capable of long-distance shots. This American-made, fast-burning, double-based powder is suited to small capacity cases like the .22 Hornet and 7.62x39, and it is also useful for lightweight bullets in the .223 Remington. tried to do our shooting on calm days. Berger bullet You must log in or register to reply here. Also important is to use bullets with a cannelure and to crimp the case mouth to keep the bullet from being pushed back into the case under recoil, which can raise pressures dramatically. Generally 1/2MOA or better. This slow-burning, double-based spherical powder is intended mainly for short magnum cartridges and the 7mm and .300 belted magnums. The cartridge is available in bullet weights of 36 to 80 grains. In the .257 Ackley Improved, the powder shot Sierra 100-grain Pro-Hunter bullets at 3,018 fps. Ruger No. went on to be chambered in Remington Model 14 and 141 pump actions, the Model 81 semiautomatic, and the Model 30 bolt action. These were usually 17 grain varmint hunting loads 2525 fps and muzzle energy (ME) of 241 ft. lbs. Powder and charge in grains: 70.7 grains of H1000 for 168s, 69.0 grains with 180s. mean average group = 1-17/32". Oehler Model 20 chronograph with Model 50 electronic screens spaced 10 feet. from CCI, Federal, Hornady and Remington, the brands of ammunition most To achieve a balance between keeping the bullet together on firing while travelling up the bore, the bullet actually has to be tough around the jacket and therefore the tip is really the only area that can be fragile to initiate expansion. LT-32, loaded in the .223, shot a five-shot group that measured .54 inch with Nosler 69-grain HPBT bullets and .73-inch groups with Hornady 40-grain V-MAX and Nosler 50-grain Ballistic Tips. The powder produced good accuracy and velocity with bullets cast from an RCBS 45-405-FN mould and fired in a Marlin 1895 Guide Gun .45-70. This fast-burning, double-base, extruded powder is made in Canada. largest group 2-3/8"; mean average group = 1-13/32". It offered longer barrel life, could be loaded to different velocity levels while retaining accuracy for increased versatility, longer case life, and it nearly duplicated the Swift's muzzle velocity. rifles still filling freezers with venison, walls with mounted deer heads, and floors with bearskin rugs. Subscriber Services. blank range (MPBR), allowing a 1.5" deviation above and below the line The CZ 7.62x39 grouped three Hornady 123-grain Spire Point bullets in .69 inch with LT-32 and into 1.05 inches shooting LT-30. High-Volume Reloading for Varminters by Graymist. MagPro loaded in the .270 Winchester shot two different 150-grain bullets a touch slower than 2,900 fps. Aug 29, 2009 Was at the gun show this am, looking for some h 4350 powder. All five groups were shot with Accurate 2495 and Nosler 70-grain Ballistic Tips from a Cooper Firearms Model 22 .243 Winchester. SIG Sauer P365 Pistol Now Offered in .380, Savage Model 110 Timberline 6.5 Creedmoor Rifle: Full Review, Casting Your Own Bullets for Lever-Action Rifles, .300 PRC vs. .300 Win Mag: Rifle Cartridge Comparison Review, The Colt Anaconda .44 Rem. Well, the reasons are simple. The 260 has become very popular in sniper shooting competitions. Just because LVR was the best powder doesnt mean there werent other good performers. I've managed to get 5 shot groups of .55" @ 100, and 1.70" @ 300. Accuracy, again, is phenomenal, 0.5in or better at 100 yards. I also load 72gr in a Browning X-bolt, for a good . claimed MV of 2650 fps and ME of 264 ft. lbs. Last edited by obaro; 04/10/20 09:18 AM. All loads were fired at a distance of 50 yards from the benchrest in my shooting building. This fast-burning, single-base, extruded rifle powder performs well in varmint cartridges such as the .204 Ruger and .222 and .223 Remingtons and at the opposite end of the field in the .35 Whelen and .45-70.