6:14-17), We believe that God has commanded that no intimate physical activity be engaged in outside of marriage between a man and a woman. You can read more about it here: https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/, I never said the IFB is a cult because some IFB churches may not be the best. I didnt condemn other version by saying Kjv is inspired. [6] Adam Fannin, the lead preacher at SBC's Jacksonville satellite campus, refused to acknowledge the authority of Jonathan Shelley, another Texas New IFB pastor who took over SBCFort Worth following Romero's resignation. No, Baptist churches are not sinless because they are filled with forgiven sinners. I can use scripture to instruct me how to forgive others and God told me that it is profitable. Back then, you had to wear your Sunday best. Independent Baptists (a.k.a. If you run into a church member at the grocery store and see that they have a bottle of wine or maybe a 6-pack of beer in their cart and you struggle over whether you should share this information with your pastor, you might be and independent fundamental Baptist! I can tolerate the other bits that go over board as long I am believing the word and get correct non compromising bible teaching. It uses the Bible to treat everything from porn addiction Jesus Christ is the mediator between God and man. [4] Anderson has also produced videos in which he attacks the religion of Judaism and questions the official account of the Holocaust. Independent Fundamental Baptist While I am not against crucifixes but using them in public worship is idolatry because the bible forbids idols. I aint got any place to judge anyone because in all honesty i have messed up in life a lot. The verses you quoted are taken out of context and dont mean what you imply them to mean. I hope whatever poor experience you had hasnt taken you away from the faith. 22 of the congregations are in 16 U.S. states, one in British Columbia, three are in the Philippines, two are in the Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland, and one congregation is located in the South African town of Middelburg. We are not affiliated with any man-made external organization be it a Convention, Association, Fellowship, or National Denomination. Id have more time to minister to the lost if I didnt have to work to repair the damage done by the IFB. Jesus forgives and loves and he also needs to be honored is all respects. Hmmmmm interesting.I will bash ifb, while I mix truth and error interesting.. Nice going Steve 1. [7], The New IFB currently lists 30 affiliated congregations on their website. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. They said no mixed bathing. 18 And you say that to swear by the altar is not binding, but to swear by the gifts on the altar is binding. Did you read it? Theres a place to rebuke abusive religious practices. I will say though having grown up in that environment, there was a HUGE sense of support from the congregation, I always knew that if I needed something, I had people surrounding me who would help. We didnt go, but they came back the next week. Correction is my discernment. It is interesting that you refer to IFB as viewing divorce people as being inferior Christians and are forbidden to hold any leadership positions in the church looking to their Scofield Bibles for direction. If you refuse to use any other Bible version than the KJV because you think its either too worldly, sinful or less accurate,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 4. You should do something else with the time God has aloud you.Nonsense is not what people need to hear. They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. If you believe that using guitars in church is too liberal, yet you listen to patch the pirate who uses guitars, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 14. Again its too legalistic. Belief number 51 is absolutely wrong. We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same. Interesting that Steve begins his response by taking the Lords name in vainmmmmmmm, very interesting, but hes found the truth, riiiiight. If you believe that your health issue is the result of sin in your life, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 49. I respond to IFB jabs, sometimes that requires a jab back. [5], New IFB pastors have been the subjects of controversy on numerous occasions. I have no position or opinion of this And as the word independent implies, we are not all alike. A IFB member knocked on my door one Saturday and invited us to church. We believe that the Holy Spirit is the Person who reproves the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment; and that He is the Supernatural Agent in regeneration, indwelling all believers and sealing them unto the day of redemption (John 16:8-11; II Corinthians 3:6; Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13-14). We believe that any form of homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality, beastiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography is a sinful perversion of God's original intent for a physical relationship between a husband and wife. I know you scoff at my pity but there it is. I dont think having two revivals a year is a bad thing as they word states we should continue to get together as believers. Frankly its not your place to tell me what I should and shouldnt do (typical IFB who thinks they know what everyone is supposed to be doing). If you think that any rational thought is dangerous because it may lead you to believe something different than what the IFB believes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 50. 20 When you swear by the altar, you are swearing by it and by everything on it. 31 But in saying that, you testify against yourselves that you are indeed the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. I did learn a lot. We wanted help and we wanted to know what the Bible said. The two are completely unrelated. [14], Tarrant County, Texas preacher Dillon Awes attracted considerable controversy for advocating that "every single homosexual" in America be lined up against a wall and shot in the back of the head. Smoking, drinking, partying, dancing, listening to secular music or Contemporary music arent sinful though partying can only be sinful if you are drunk. How will you escape the judgment of hell? I prefer Kjv! His mom, Dorothy Chrisman, was a teacher at the academy run by Fairhaven. Baptists are traditionally strong believers in Biblical authority. I am pretty conservative, but find some of this stuff outright ridiculous! of Infighting, Anti-LGBTQ Church Network I think I find it more funny how you all think it IS funny and Im just over here secretly judging your jeans ;b, But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter. I praise the lord for that because if I sin I dont have to announce it to anyone but my Heavenly Father and he is faithful and just to forgive me. Anderson and other New IFB pastors have praised the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. If you believe that perfection is something to strive for and/or attain this side of heaven,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. From a biblical standpoint, Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and Man and only Jesus can intercede us. (Mat 22:37-40) Can you honestly say that this is of God. I must say, I was hoping the list would be more interesting but the fact mixed into the exaggeration of each point was mostly so true it seemed a bit pointless! You can read more about that here: https://baptistdeception.com/cult/. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? I mean, why would you think its too liberal to sing anything other than hymns in the church because, there are some churches within the Southern Baptist Convention, which is different from the IFB, that have a contemporary music worship in one service and have traditional hymns in another service. I dont agree with the term, sowing discord with the brethren because I agree everything what the Bible teaches. A church that has tract rack I dont know what they are for but my old church has one for storing hymn books (or hymnals), pew bibles, bible study books, etc. Its never spoken but up there to read. You can forgive him, that doesnt mean you have to marry him. We believe that eternal life is the present possession of every believer (John 6:37-40, 10:27-30; Romans 8:1, 38-39; I Corinthians 1:4-8; I Peter 1:4-5; Jude 1, 2). 6 And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. Believing that going to the movies is sinful but not renting them or watching them on TV I dont see anything wrong about going to the movies because I went to the movies years ago. While I dont have a general opinion on this, I do believe that we should discipline our kids in the same sense that God disciplines us. God Bless. For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in peoples faces. 11. But I do know some churches practice free will offerings instead of tithing. Pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body My preacher never preaches that though there are very few people at my current church that smoke. More than one earring per ear for women is worldly I dont agree that multiple earrings per ear for women is worldly as long its not fancy. Then they paid for your reception, photographers and shower? Teaching there is any unforgivable sin besides the sin of unbelief in Jesus Christ is not biblical. Why would I even send a lost loved one to church instead of sharing the gospel with them for that matter? 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. Hypocrites! I will have to argue that while on vacation we just go to church somewhere else rather than dashing home. The abuse would continue and they would be dead and their child would be in foster care. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. The reality is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH is the church that PRACTICES BIBLICAL TEACHINGS and NOT THAT OF MAN-MADE TEACHINGS because THEY ARE AGAINST THE BIBLE because I do ask the question that why there are so many churches. to show me the folly of my performance-based religion. The end of November we were going to break up because of physical abuse so instead sought counseling for our pastor and his wife. We dont think rational thought is dangerous. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! N/A I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. Yes, believers disagree, theres nothing wrong with that. Like a grenade strike, no commitment to understand or empathize, just broad and arrogant assumptions. 9. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. We believe education in the world is good, but the teaching of evolution needs to be addressed if the individual is a little kid as false doctrine. Gospel Furthering Fellowship (Job 3:16; Psalm 51:5; 139:14-16; Isaiah 44:24; 49:1, 5; Jeremiah 1:5; 20:15-18; Luke 1:44), We believe that God has ordained and created all authority which consists of three basic institutions: (1) the home, (2) the church, and (3) the state. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse than yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, my current pastor, at Balsam Street Christian Church, doesnt do any of the two as he doesnt use the pulpit to preach his sermons anyways. I like door knocking is any of our church compelled to do so? God Wasnt going to see our fornicating as bringing glory to him. Biblical Reform School Discipline: Tough Love or Abuse? Growing up in a very conservative IFB church, I can personally attest to how accurate most of these were. I have attended an IB Church my entire life (34 years). I only hope that you will see it before too long. Romans 5:8 is about salvation. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Those who judge people like that WILL BE judged the same way, PERIOD. Its my calling and my ministry. Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. We sought counseling to see if there was any hope. And I know you included that on your list, but there is a difference between joking and bitterness and I can see it in the comments as well as the post. If you feel guilty for not having devotions 7 days a week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 42. The IFB ostracizes people when they leave. I truly believe the IFB pastor and wife was just doing their job. 53. These are right on the money! That being said, I just want to warn the author about injecting too much of his own agenda into these posts. In thinking back, I see that the church was filled with tiny idols like that. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ was raised bodily and that He ascended to Heaven and is now exalted at the right hand of God, where, as our High Priest, He fulfills the ministry of Representative, Intercessor, and Advocate (Acts 1:9-10; Hebrews 9:24, 7:25; Romans 8:34; I John 2:1-2). Instead of attempting to find humor , find time to pray for them. I was in an IFB church for eight years and left because the weight of never feeling that I would be good enough for this church had worn me down. Hey there. WebNo denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. Point is that we are to edify with love and meekness all brothers and sisters in Christ, not criticize in front of a lost world. The women that I befriended in this church will always be my sister in Christ. If your pastor refuses to be called Reverend, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I prefer Kjv! I assure you that Im living exactly how God wants me to be living and Im doing it outside of the IFB (yes it can be done LOL). I found that 10 of those apply to me and Im not even IFB. Well Pastor Wilkerson is no longer here, and welllll.as far as Im concerned will never be the same. A strong percentage of our funding comes through several hundred local churches who support I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. Hypocrites! 12. I dare say it would be the one you enjoy making fun of. 5. Pastor dont preach on smoking unless he preaches on a list of things that destroy the body. I can be more specific and categorize your list of 55 things to give some examples as you asked OGrodnik to do, but it wouldnt be to diminish what you and others have experienced. If you think that you should cut your vacation short so that you can make it back in time for Sunday morning Sunday School, but think its OK that your pastor miss a Sunday or two because hes on vacation, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 5. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. This is the only church Ive been to, so I just awsume all Churchs are loving, caring, forgiving, honest, and strive to bring glory to god and its just sad to here that thats not the case. We just look for a biblical church to go to. Ive known many people whom God has reached using the IFB. Jonathan I have a question for you..IF the wine is grape juice (as in the water Jesus turned to wine)HOW can you get drunk on it???? The IFB church I attend preaches cleaning the heart not performing works. 39. They act like childern, but my church loves them because Jesus loves them. Landlord Cody Johnson later agreed not to evict Stedfast Baptist from the Watauga location after communicating with Stedfast's lawyer.[15][16]. Every person is subject to these authorities, but all (including the authorities themselves) are answerable to God and are governed by His Word. When I read what you have written, I sense that you are bitter, hurt, angry, and possibly disillusioned. If you think that singing anything other than hymns in church is too liberal, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 15. Do you realize this was written as humorous piece ? Its a Biblical principle that we are commanded to follow. If Just As I Am causes you to repent and go to the altar, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. When you finally get the blinders off let me know, we will rejoice with you. I dont believe the IFB church I go to has ulterior motives, but I havent been to any other church to apply that to all IFB churches. Forget the past and move on to do those things that shine light to the lost, edify the saints, and glorify God. If I chose to forgive him there would be hope for our relationship. No, because I have said and thought some things I regret. The pastor our local congregation is the preaching elder and most Churches of Christ avoid the term, Pastor, when addressing their ministers. 2 Corinthians 2:10 is a guideline not a command. Wow! This led to calls to evict Stedfast Baptist Church from its location at a strip mall in Watauga, Texas. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. Stop this shamefulness, as you hurt the ministry of our Lord. Praise the lord God made salvation a gift, or I probably wouldnt have received it. I will cut to the chase: my Pastor and his wife took a much needed vacation a few years ago. This is just another sidetrack from the gospel of of Christ.We are to love one another and build up the church. Basically he was just marketing for his college. Every proposition presented for action of the church must be introduced by motion of one member and seconded by another. I was taught that. I had a pastor who was reaching out to me in the darkest part of my life, he used a broken phone as a way to get to me, he knew I could try and fix it, so he brought it to me and, rather than berating me, after I had fixed the phone he simply asked me Would it be okay if we just prayed together? and I knew, in that moment, that he actually did care about me, he didnt ask me to come to church, didnt ask for money, didnt ask for anything except for the opportunity to pray with me. I dont know your past, but I know mine and it aint righteous. (1 Timothy 2:1-6; 1 Peter 2:5,9; Revelation 5:9,10), The local church is mandated by God to practice two ordinances. Romans 5:8 Anderson, Fannin and Shelley traded accusations of financial wrongdoing and running a cult. The pastor pointed out (over the course of his long 2 hour sermon LOL) that a shepherd doesnt use a rod and staff to beat his sheep but to prod and guide them. On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. When you find Christ, you are a new creation and the spirit helps you to live a life that pleases Him, not us. If you think that the KJV is inspired, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 2. Plus they pray to the saints. (Colossians 1:18; Matthew 18:15-20; Acts 15:22-21; 2 Corinthians 8:1-5, 19, 23), All born-again believers have the privilege of direct access to God. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. If you compromise too much with the world, satan gets in and anything can happen thats why the word says to stay vigilant. The New IFB considers the modern nation of Israel to be a fraud and it also teaches that Christians rather than Jews are God's chosen people. 7 You hypocrites! Should we stay living together with our baby in fornication? Pastor Wilkerson was the one and ONLY pastor who allowed me to work passionately in what ever church ministry I chosen. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. Gods people are the Jews.. from Jew-dajudah. The bitterness argument has been answered many times. God has given each institution specific Biblical responsibilities and has balanced those responsibilities with the understanding that no institution has the right to infringe upon the other. (John 3:36; Romans 14:4-12;2 Corinthians 4:2; Titus 1:9), Local church membership is restricted to individuals who give a believable testimony of personal faith in Christ and have publicly identified with Him in believer's baptism. Is there any perfect , no. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. No one leaves on good terms unfortunately. My pastor has never taught that man can forgive sins. If you see buses full of kids of all ethnicities and backgrounds coming to worship together, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. N/A Pastors daughter did my hair and cleaned my dress with baby wipes. The members were so sweet to us. (HYPOCRISY) At its finest. Clearly only one unforgivable sin is mentioned in the Bible (KJV even) and that isnt it. Would you go back and pet a dog after it bit you?