She obviously could have said that bike which we would expect when describing something from the past.there is just [unbridled] joy, just over his face I have marked the word unbridled as a unique word. There was no lion game. The word think denotes uncertainty. I will post that too (its much shorter) and would like to hear your (and anyone elses) thoughts. Interestingly enough, Melissa entertains the thought that Somebody took her. There are times that Melissa slips into the present tense. William's foster mother had been supervising the pair, but when she went inside to make a cup of tea, William disappeared. At first her story was that she and her mother were drinking tea on the porch and heard a last "roar" from William "and then nothing". I've not read anything specific about number of persons, but have assumed that indeed those four were at the house. ]I am looking for more.Adrian. March 2- Police fruitlessly search an area of bushland near Bonny Hills for three days after a tip-off. Im walking around in a circle on the spot thinking, where is he, why cant I see him, and Im yelling out, William, where are you, you need to talk to Mummy, tell me where you are, I cant see you, I cant hear you, where are you?, ()If William had just disappeared and the foster mother was looking for him, why would she walk in a circle on the spot asking herself why cant I see him. The mother herself qualifies the abduction story as ridiculous: "Youd expect abductions in the city, you dont expect to hear about abductions out here in Kendall, I mean its just ridiculous." Autumn,Interesting post.Yes, look into the Boy in the Box case--it is a dark case but I will tell you that that is the "impression" that came into my head after reading the mother's 911 call and seeing the interview with the father. Deputy State Coroner Grahame acknowledged the suffering endured by both families and thanked them from sitting through more than a year and a half of "harrowing" evidence. Notice she says even in connection to across the road.From video clip: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1889904/Video-Moments-William-Tyrrells-disappearance-described-father.htmlif he was down at the road, you [possibly] would have seen him. How very perceptive. November 11: The deputy state coroner releases footage of William Tyrrell and family at Heatherbrae McDonalds, on September 11, 2014, Feb - March 2020: Gary Jubelin defends four charges of illegally recording person of interest Paul Savage in court hearing, February 21: Daily Mail Australia reveals Frank Abbott was arrested in custody for the purposes of a police interview about William's disappearance, March 2020: The coronial inquest into William's disappearance resumes but stops with two days to go due to the coronavirus outbreak, April 6, 2020: Magistrate Ross Hudson delivers his verdict in Gary Jubelin case, April 8, 2020: Jubelin is convicted of all four charges and fined $10,000. William Tyrrells foster parents have been charged over the alleged assault of a child following investigations looking into the little boys disappearance. But dont love our lawbreakers so Im writing to you for help to share this with your viewers. Over the seven years since his disappearance, some 600 people have been considered persons of interest. The woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons, said her son was desperately trying to get a medical script for prescription drugs. We can look at it two ways, firstly that it was used to minimise actions which means they did more than just drive around. Ive picked up on many vibes far more complex. This tells us she is very psychologically screwed up. I mean honestly, not really hopeless but more helpless because I can`t do anything from where I`m at. Their relationship with police went from "empathetic" to "cold" when Detective Chief Inspector David Laidlaw took over one of Australia's most puzzling missing child cases. What is her story of events?Why didn't she call her husband? So I think other daughter may be more likely what the foster mother came up with than 100% reality. I thought it could be five is not specific; the mother expects the operator to interpret five as five minutes, when it could be five hours, or longer - generally, people tend to avoid telling a direct lie. Even regarding the mark on the head, the operator asked about any distinguishing features, and the foster mother gave her one. She wouldnt be making any calls or texts etc.. (not that she could of).and nows the [part] where [Im saying] I have to Very strange reference. William Tyrrell's foster-mother has broken down on the stand recalling the moment she thought that her son's abductor also planned to take her daughter. Her motivation is self-preservation.Adrian. And, Im putting this out there because, um, it's going on 10 hours that shes been missing and I want to put this on blast because I dont think shes out in the desert. Being a foster child is admirable (if you survive it !!!!) And she's not disor-disoriented anymore, if she is. Also: in that case other still doesnt make much sense. The last time that I [spoke] to her was 5:30. If you are able to speak to someone, cant you see them as well? Did he have tinted sunglasses on? You all but said the words car accident. Did Karlie leave in a [truck]?-She [left] in her jeans, um, and a t-shirt Melissa states that Karlie [left]. That she uses the pronoun "my" shows that she is not attempting to distance herself from him. She was just right there, just, something's wrong. There is past and present tense in the same sentence was and somethings. He was a boisterous and energetic child and his sometimes unruly behaviour with other children at child care became of concern the foster mother. She did not get the number plates, because the cars were not significant to her at that time she said tearily. (A loud bang is heard) Then she tells us she peeked back in but wasn't sure if she saw Maddie or if it was the bedding. William Tyrrell's birth mother (above) last saw her son on an access visit in August 2014 when she noticed he was 'more affectionate than usual' and cuddled her rather than racing around, William's birth father (above) last saw his son at the Chipmunks Playland at the Macquarie CVentre in North Sydney in August 2014. [We] were just, [I] was out there talking with my mum and my [other daughter] soWe see a pronoun change from we were - then self-censorship and a change to I was. Who would have even known that William was at Nannas house? Watch the latest news and stream for . Its as if she is steering the attention away from the desert. At least you have an alibi! I have only had a quick listen but I noticed that extra words had been added to the transcript to make it read better also.I revised a few sentences to show how badly off the original transcript is so we need to look at it again to see what he been omitted.Original transcript:I had a meeting and I arrived back and there was a bit of confusion if William was with me, because hes always looking out for me and my car, and I was on my way back, and Id arrived back and been asked if William was with me and I said no, then I immediately got out of the carRevised transcript:I`d, I`d had a meeting and I arriv., I arrived back and, and there was a little bit of confusion as to whether William was with me, because he, he was, hes always looking out for me and my car, and ah.. and I was on my way back, and Id arrived back and, and ah.. and I err, erm.. then asked if William was with me and I said no, and um, and then err. Autumn. Im watching you glances with one of the drivers on the morning William disappeared. "I got back to the house, I went straight down to the command post and I told the guy on duty. 'We took our role very seriously to provide a loving caring supportive home for him. Did someone start the car with William still under it? She was very paranoid. Shes been missing since, breathe, (gulps water)(long sigh). And I was so scared just to say anything and the investigators are like you can't talk to anybody about this because the FBI was involved and if anybody finds out or they get spooked or somebody tips somebody off then, she could be right here and then she could be gone. [2] I am just listening to the Nancy grace interview Leigh linked to.The parents were not very helpful at all. Peter has said that emotions come after youve had time to process them. But only if she has something to hide.Adrian. So there are simply more opportunities for mothers to cause accidents to their children (compared to fathers).Adrian, in the police interview the foster mother says "No" when the foster dad says the last time he saw William was 10:15 AM (it's not in the transcript). I did not know about "Little Tara" and had not noticed that the mother had said "my other daughter". I immediately got out of the carThats a big difference in a few lines of text, who knows what new information we might discover if we revise the transcript fully.Adrian. In both the interview with NSW Police and the 60 minutes interview the foster mother mentioned putting an unwilling/scared William in a climbing tree on the morning of his disappearance (so at least it seems important enough for her to keep mentioning in this context); and2. I drove my Corolla out in the boonies, over boulders, and Zac took the truck and he took the binoculars and then, you know, two-hour point. William was just three years old when he vanished while playing with his sister on September 12, 2014. She also gives the boy an incomplete social introduction, mentioning his age, but not his name as she may be in a hurry to get the information out. On September 12, 2014, William Tyrrell was playing with his older sister in the garden of his foster grandmother's home, while his foster mother watched on. We know nothing about it. . Maybe Karlie didnt leave in a car but her dead body may have -> in that case Karlies physical remains left in a car/vehicle. This car drives by Nannas house around the time William was riding his bike on the driveway. Um, [you] [cant do] an Amber Alert [because] [she didnt] leave in a car and I [dont have] a physical description of a [vehicle].Theres quite a bit of information above. Are you watching the video? If she had told us that D had simply returned it would leave open the question of where did he return from? Thursdays charge is the latest in a string of recent developments linked to the investigation. . In the Karlie Guse case as well: Melissa does all the talking and writing, Zachary seems extremely absent. It`s just hard. And I was like yeah, sure, why not whatever, Ill lay with you and watch a movie. CASEY ANTHONY: She`s not far. Notice here that Melissa says they just started driving all around. My heart is aching. In a separate matter unrelated to the NSW Crime Commission charges, the foster parents were last year charged with the alleged common assault of a child who was not William Tyrrell. When asked if there was anyone suspicious or vehicles in the area she responds No, no, no, no repeating it four times. It is not related to time as we would expect something like nows the time. EXCLUSIVE Home win! The public were only a couple of years ago. The minister had a duty of care to keep William safe until he was 18. In a car? 03:56 BST 17 Nov 2021 Mum and I were sitting on two chairs and then he jumped off. William Tyrrell was last seen playing at his foster grandmothers home in northern New South Wales in September 2014, when he was three years old. Weather: Did the missing person live in a moderate climate, or an extreme climate? Im on here to share more info. She makes two downward hand gestures and she interrupts him as to signal him to keep it down. If you heard something in the woods which sounded like a bird you would say it sounded like a bird. She was supposed to be at a football game. Because I just want to be back with our family. That it is stated in the negative makes it sensitive. It is pure fabrication. "Some of the people behind these deeply personal attacks have sat in the gallery of this very courtroom," the foster mother said. The three-year-old in the Spider-Man suit, who disappeared from his foster grandmother's home in Kendall on the NSW mid north coast, was removed from his biological parents along with his older sister when he was still a baby. She indicates guilty knowledge about what happened. Amazing.The talent here shows they wont get away with it.Justice always prevails.Except for TB. The weekend the foster mother had planned included sorting through family belongings, getting the foster mother organised ahead of the Kendall house sale and taking the kids up the road to visit her father's grave.
William Tyrrell case: Inside the 7-year investigation. We know the power of pronouns and the fact the mother changed her usage of them shows not only sensitivity but deception in her words. William Tyrrell's foster-mother feared her daughter would be abduction target. -- consider taken together is a pause. She cannot be named for legal reasons. The foster parents collected William from day care, left their cats at a boarding kennel and drove up to Kendall a day earlier than planned to start a family weekend, A previous search for William, (above in 2018) failed to find any trace of the toddler or the Spider-Man suit he was wearing when last seen alive. They drain his septic tank. "He saw that the sky was dark and had an overwhelming feeling something bad was going to happen that day," lawyer Michelle Swift said on behalf of William's birth father. Ever! I would expect I know Karlie. I can feel it. What happened to the 3-year-old boy in the Spider-Man suit is now the focus of an inquest by Deputy State Coroner Harriet Grahame. Then shaving it off? The initial search went for nine days before the foster family were forced to return home to Sydney. Cuz I don't care. Secondly we have more negative language used and again the fact that they do know a lot of what went on that day. Did Melissa and Zachary take a break at Laws (Lawbreakers) that day? Thanks, AutumnIf memory serves i think it may have been Caseys dad who mentioned the woods. Most of their language is in the negative, when we expect them to say something like I want to know where he is we instead get we have no idea where he is.The part you posted with the repeated uses of the word just is interesting. :)Adrian. and these kids should be celebrated and congratulated. Clarice, Are the lambs still crying in your dreams? She said she didnt realize until after William went missing that the two cars were gone:I know in hindsight that they werent there but whilst I was searching I didnt. The inquest's first batch of hearings focused on William's family situation and the events leading up to his disappearance. Why would theyHave hidden itIf it was an accidentAnd the father accidentally ran him over?Keep thinking. The birth mother said in her police statement that sheworried about William being 'a bit too skinny'. Desiree Young, mother of missing Kyron Horman was an example of this.Another factor: Have the police given the family any indication of death?This is important. I'm not a murderer! June 12 - NSW Police announce the start of a four-week forensic search of bushland conducted by Strike Force Rosann. OT: Karlie GuseAutumn, I would like to know more about the witnesses as well. A detective has told a court he thinks Tyrrell's foster mother knows where the missing boy is.
Missing boy William Tyrrell's doomed life - News.com.au She had lied to me and told me that she was at the football game. Karlie Lain Guse is missingstill. Lindsay moved away to a larger city several years prior and wanted Karlie to continue to live in a small town. But it didn't really make sense to me: why would she want to hide the presence of her sister (I was not thinking of car accidents at that time)? Missing toddler William Tyrrell's foster parents are due to face a Sydney court charged with assaulting a different child. The language points to it clearly. I wouldn't as long it could bring my child back safe I would do anything, my appearance would not matter if I wasnt involved in the disappearance of my child. You may ask someone in the vicinity if they saw anything. Both the female police officer and the foster father made a very similar comment about bush and abduction/something more sinister. I just spoke to the sergeant, and they are at a dead end.She may also be leaking something about location here: is Karlie somewhere at a dead end street (in the desert)?And, uh, let's bring Karlie home ()Why does Karlie have to be brought home? See no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil. The case was never solved. She never asked for help for William. But also it could represent that other things were done. We expect to be told she was awake first in the order? The foster grandmother is conspicuous by her absence in interviews - as I recall, she also did not attend the inquest. We accept some negative language has to be used in communication but when there are other options we question why they are not used. The bio Mom loves Williamthat is the grief of love.So sad, I hate that bitch fostermonster. CASEY ANTHONY: Just tell her that I love her and that I miss her. The most difficult part of this gigantic secret must be that they cannot tell their daughter (all the more because William was her biological brother). Their testimony was followed by a statement from William's biological parents, read out by their lawyer Michelle Swift, who was joined in the witness box by the biological grandmother. I believe the foster mother is the only who saw these cars. I agree with you, they are identifying the thing they say they know nothing about. The Bank Holiday excitement is a bit too much for some! It was a dark storm night. Karlie Guse's stepmom also talked about "the world" ("The world is cruel and the world is real [etc.]") There seem to be many clues.Autumn. I think the operator puts the idea of possible abduction into her mind by asking the question and she moves from strong denial to beginning to entertain the idea not that I`m aware of. Maybe she meant to say: the authorities did all this effort and still Karlie is not found, so now I take matters into my own hands. At the inquest she futhermore said she thought she heard a scream. I thought you suggested that he was buried under a path in the bush, but you probably meant in the bush that is situated down/at the end of the path. August - Investigation leaderDetective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin and a sergeant get into a disagreement during a briefing. "The Dad is trying to impress upon the listenerhe's vanished into thin airhis clothes are so bright we would have seen him. On that September 12 morning, a Friday, the foster mother had encouraged William and his sister to hand draw messages to leave on their late grandfather's grave. Did he take William(s body) somewhere while he was away (William was with me, William was with me)?Autumn, Do we know what "jobs" the foster father ran in town? On Wednesday, she told The Daily Telegraph of the toll the tragedy has had on herself and her family. That could give us a good focus point in the timeline.I think I am on to something major but before I say anything I want to confirm how many people were at the house at the time of Williams disappearance. What ai meant by muddies the water is that the ongoing comments such as Michael's are way far apart from actual statement analysis and the principles Peter focuses on and reads way too much into it. We also have the concern regarding Neglect. Not only because of the parents statements but also because the kidnapper(s) would have to have been clairvoyant to know that William was there. Those are the types of things I prefer to read! Wasnt she supposed to be inside? August 24- William's foster child status is revealed after a landmark court ruling. If she had told us she thought abduction was a possibility because Karlie hasnt been found in the desert so we need to explore other options, I would have been quite happy to buy it. He was wearing a Spider-Man suit and playing in the yard with his five-year-old sister. On its page, the group advocates for a Coronial Inquest into Williams disappearance, something they now hope possible as a result of this weeks victory. In "The boy in the box case" The boy was found dead in a box in PA with a freshly and haphazardly shaved head.In the past decade a detective became convinced that the boy had been made to dress as a girl and that his long hair was shaved in an attempt to disguise his identity after he died. : TV is broken); or (3) expected behavior of a person is absent (e.g. But wouldnt the neighbors have noticed the presence of another family member(s car)? "Yes, it could be possible.Note the increase in tension ("walking") body posture associated with the "bush""I was walking through the bush". OT: Karlie Guse"Were coming up on ten hours (breathless) and nows the part where Im saying I have to do something because weve had CHP fly over, weve had the, Inyo County, Inyo Mono County Sher-, um, Sheriffs flying over, er, ah. Did William hide under the car? : did her taking photos of William lead to William passing away and the family visiting his grave? She also only thought it could be five, which is to continue to give vague information. I know her and she wouldnt leave for this long! William Tyrrell, who vanished in 2014. "If it doesn't, when I am officially adult, I will be in the police force, a detective specifically, and I will find my brother and not give up until he is found. Autumn, Autumn said"John, I didn't read your comment carefully enough. Was a gun fired that night? William was put into foster care not long after he was born, and the court heard his biological father "has never been the same since". She also uses the word just to minimise the distance, again she shows a need to convince.Here the interesting part I believe they were sat outside the front of the house which makes her statement of I walked around make total sense as we deduce she walked round the side of the house from her position outside the front of the house (10 feet away??). In the police interview she is asked what she sees when looking at that picture. If his play shoes were at the door, it could be the case that William went missing without any shoes. Two years before his sudden disappearance made him a household name, the boy had come to the attention of police, the inquest was told. The coronial inquest has been delayed for another eight months with the next round of hearings happening in March 2020. State park. A mother would be the closest: mother and child relationship is highly personal. Head injury? So Melissa is being deceptive in her description. The pair, aged 56 and 54, were charged with common assault and are due to face Hornsby Local Court next week. (I know I should have guessed by the title) But the first couple of minutes of the film contain some of the 911 call and then it cuts to the mother (only shows her mouth area to keep her anonymous) talking.
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And, thank you for the continued support. The fact that Melissa cannot recall the events correctly points to her fabricating (very badly) her story. She obviously doesnt as she approximates. Autumn, you make some good points. Stories can be made up and this is a reality. Why not say: sitting on the patio. The foster parents were preparing for a massive renovation of their north shore house to make their 'forever home', after obtaining DA approval by Ku-ring-gai Council in July 2013. Melissa reached out to Sean Hannity via Facebook on the day Karlie went missing, see below and here"Dear Hannity,My name is Melissa Guse and my husband is Zachary guse. I agree with you that if someone says they see nothing it represents them being blind, like you said that could be because of darkness or other factors. The home renovations included a new bedroom that was meant for William. And then we went back to bed and I spent the whole night with her. The question is why did the foster mother come up with two cars instead of one? I just spoke to the sergeant, and they are at a dead end. We talked the whole way home. Did she quickly realize she didnt want to and say other daughter instead? Maybe in her mind, William was her daughter. Would they walk over and ask to part his hair? Williams Bike:Below is my revised unedited version of the question from the Police interview.http://williamtyrrelldisappearance.blogspot.com/2015/10/in-their-words-william-tyrrells-parents.htmlP: What were his likes?
William Tyrrell: Missing boy's doomed life before 'handpicked' for care What is confusing, is her reference to my other daughter. You notice things other people don't. So, this is hard right now, because I just, I don't want people to judge her. - We love our guns, land, rights, and freedom. What is the relevancy of this in this context? Great post Lucia.it is unexpected to describe the freckle that you would have to part the hair to see. Could the foster father have taken his body somewhere during the 911 call? We ask why many of these cases which we believe are accidents are not reported as if it was an accident then what would be the problem. ', June: Four charges of breaching the Surveillance Devices Act are laid against DCI Jubelin. I mainly just observe because you guys are all so advanced with your crime-solving. She knows this because she [said] can you see daddys car? She has never mentioned that before. The foster mother gives a lengthy answer (three paragraphs long) starting with: I, cause I, I took the photo, I took three photos, I, I do photo books, ehm, of what we do as a family every year. There are many uses of language that suggest the father believes William is deceased, more than just talking in past tense. There is no suggestion that any of William's foster family or his biological family had anything to do with his disappearance. Having William taken away broke his heart. Maybe that is a strategy though, because the biological parents might use such signs to instigate or bolster a claim for damages. The coroner orders an urgentprobe into the final image that was taken on the day William vanished as metadata suggests the picture may have been taken 118 minutes earlier than originally thought.